Enquiries concerning these minutes should be directed to John Shepherd, extension +61293856494, jas@cse.unsw.edu.au.
Present:
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John Shepherd (JAS) (chair),
Annie Guo (HG),
Fethi Rabhi (FR),
Bruno Gaeta (BG),
Eric Martin (EM),
Gelareh Mohammed (GM),
Jashank Jeremy (JJ),
Evan Kohilas (EK)
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Apologies:
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Maurice Pagnucco
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Absent:
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Andrew Taylor,
Alan Blair,
Helen Paik,
Wen Hu
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In Attendance:
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Ron van der Meyden (RvdM),
Richard Buckland (RB),
Nina Rodgers (NR),
Joanna Ryan
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Present / Quorum: 5 / 7 (quorum 5 reached)
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Apologies and Welcome
Meeting commenced at 1:06pm.
Apologies reeived from: Maurice Pagnucco
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Minutes of Previous Meeting
No objections to the minutes of the CSE Education Committee (27 October 2017).
Business arising from minutes:
- synchronise pre-reqs between AIMS and the Handbook ... completed in April 2018
- how other universities structure Honours ... ongoing
- how many people transfer BE->BSc to graduate ... ongoing
- write an updated FAQ for academic staff ... ongoing
- converting double-badged courses to hybrid ... ongoing
- policy for Supp Exams ... ongoing
- academic staff induction ... ran in O-week 18s1
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Reports from Bodies outside CSE
Faculty Education Committee (JAS):
- no proposals from CSE (for a change)
- UNSW3+ course readiness is being handled by Lyndon Zahra
- UNSW3+ course re-development is being handled by Steven Parker
- UNSW3+ Course Readiness forms are needed NOW
Academic Board (RB):
- nobody on Academic Board thinks UNSW3+ will be a problem
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New Course: Cryptocurrency and Distributed Ledger Technology
RvdM presented the case for and details of a course in
Cryptocurrency and Distributed Ledger Technology.
Discussion:
- need to change to a hybrid course code to allow both PG+UG enrolments
- editing needed:
- RB: prereqs: 3441 should be [39]441/6[48]41
- BG: "computer science" used in reference to School; should be cs+e
- JAS: in Learning Outcomes, "understand" is frowned upon
- BG: is "byzantine" a technical term in this context?
- RvdM: course is fairly technical; GenEds in the area already available?
- RvdM: content includes: open blockchains (currency) plus different networks, different protocols, etc., plus application space (Ethereum, smart contracts, etc.)
- JAS: does 6[48]41 provide sufficient pre-req knowledge
- RB: yes: zero knowledge protocols (0KP), hashing, cryptography
- RvdM: none of the CSE theory courses go quite far enough
- JJ: is there overlap with COMP9243?
- RvdM: will consult with convenor of that course
- EM: make it an ADK!
- JJ: MATH3411 as a pre-req?
- RvdM: probably not a useful pre-req, theory is too high level
- EM: is the 48UOC pre-req for COMP6441 problematic for PG students?
- RB: COMP6441 pre-req for PGs will be fixed soon
- EK: does it need a data structures background (e.g. COMP9024)
- EM: are assessments individual or group-based?
- all assessments are individual
- JAS: get relevant consultations and we'll send to EPC
Action: Proposal (with minor changes) approved to go forward to Engineering Programs Committee.
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New Programs: GradCert/GradDip/Masters in Cyber Security
RB presented the case for and details of PG awards in Cyber Security.
Discussion:
- RB: we always said we didn't want a Security degree,
but other Unis are doing it (even without staff to lecture it), so ..
- RB: people want to take the UNSW courses, but employers won't
pay for them unless there's a certificate at the end
- RB: so we propose 24UOC GradCert, 48 UOC GradDip, 72 UOC Masters
(comparable in size to what other Unis are offering)
- EM: seems to have OS as core?
- RB: OS or Networks, and they'll need to complete chain of pre-reqs
- EM: what's COMP9025, RB: combination of COMP9021 and COMP9024
- EM: projects look compulsory
- RB: articulation from GC to GD requires one project; from GD to Masters requires two
- RB: goal is to avoid criticism that "it's just all theory"; provides capstone
- EM: what are ZEIT courses?
- RB: courses offered by UNSW Canberra
- EK: OS as a prereq for Digital Forensics?
- RB: that would need to be fixed: drop OS in 6445
- EM: it can't possibly be done full-time
- richardb: most of the target students can't do it full-time anyway
- EM: UNSW doesn't like programs like that?
- RB: should we attach a warning?
- JAS: who's teaching all of these courses?
- RB: industry expects, unfortunately
- EM: don't get good feedback on them
- JAS: what if they disappear?
- RB: we are recording this year's offerings aggressively
- RB: we also have two groups of academics to teach them
- EK: are there one or two project courses?
- RB: a 6 UoC or a 12 UoC project, to taste
- JAS: what's the course code for the projects?
- RB: jas or Stuart Upton to create those courses
- NR: Stuart Upton
- emartin: will it be accredited?
- RB: accreditation is probably not needed, and isn't really looked for
- EK: could a CSE graduate take these programs?
- RB: probably not possible to do if you've already done COMPY1
- JAS: some details need cleaning up in the proposals
Action: Proposals (with changes) approved to go forward to Faculty Programs Committee.
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Revised Programs: GradCert/GradDip/Masters in Information Technology
JAS discussed the proposed changes to the PG course programs.
Rationale for changes:
- new entry requirements (MATHs up to level 2) don't work
- too difficult for Admissions to work out; many cases bounced to us
- allowed in some "under-qualified" students (low-grade maths, but "level 2")
- need simple rules for Admission to apply, especially if Student Office staff are cut
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UNSW3+
JAS: it looks like official UNSW3+ and CSE versions of course offerings are now in synch.
JAS: a little bit of reorganising offerings now has T1 and T2 looking similarly heavy, but T3 is heavier than the other two.
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Any Other Business
EK: when are we changing double-badged courses to hybrid codes?
JAS: sometime ...